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Let me tell you, it's a very easy for a criminal defense or it is very easy for a criminal defendant to get angry. It's right side up. We have to get peace within ourselves. And so with that, Junstan, hello, namu horenge kyo.

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Namu horenge kyo.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Junstan, we've known each other since. Oh, I'm sorry. Please uh continue.

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Nammyo horenge kyo. Nam.

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Nammyo horenge kyo. Junstan, why do you chant Namu myo horenge kyo?

SPEAKER_01 2:06

That I cannot answer.

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Okay. We have known each other for over 34 years. I met Junyasuda during Gulf War I when I was at the law firm two and a half blocks away from the White House. I was convinced that the war was started uh prematurely. Well, I should say we've known each other actually for 33 years. I thought the war would uh started prematurely. So sometimes during lunchtime, I would go join the peace protesters in Lawfire Park across from the White House. And early on uh at that time, one day there was a uh a woman chanting Namomyo Huning Gate Kill with the drum. And I walked up to talk to her, and she was with this uh other peace uh activist, Bob Jennings, who got her attention. That was Junya Suda, who we're talking to uh today. Um Junya Suda is a very important teacher of mine. Uh Jun San, why is it that you um focus so much of your life on peace?

SPEAKER_01 3:19

I think my karma. Because when I was 20 years old area, lots of going on Vietnam War, and I live in Tokyo Station, I live in Tokyo, and one day I walking around station in Shinji, Tokyo station, and some of young girls sitting very quiet well holding a picture for Hiroshima um die burning body. And this women, this girl, no women, this is like a twenty-five years or a young girl sitting not talking, just holding picture, sitting busy street and very effecting my life. That's where this is my kind of very effecting my life.

SPEAKER_02 4:27

And uh at some point you uh you came to the United States, was 1978 the first time he came to the United States.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

Yeah, but before that I wonder why humans keep keep making war. You know, war is a very old solution, but new modern time we can do other way to not all time killing each other. So I I thought myself I am looking different way more than killing each other. That's my young time searching way.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

And then you found yourself in India after that experience at the station?

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Yeah, just uh you know the station is a train station. Train station. Many trains coming going. So on a station nearby, not raped home, but it's outside of station or front of the station, some young girl holding picture of Hiroshima, you know, ugly, burning body pictures, holding. But she no say anything, she holding. She's sitting a long time.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

As you may know, in uh 1999, which was my last time in Japan, I went to Hiroshima and I was very deeply affected by that. Uh originally I was just gonna go to the Himiji castle, and the uh the map showed that if I just went about an hour longer on the bullet train, I would be in Hiroshima. And um that will always stay with me. And I also remember, I forget if you were present during that time, uh, but um Miyazaki, I forget her um her her first name, who's the uh uh the poet. And um she performed it was around 2008 or maybe a little earlier, or maybe 1998, she performed her poem about the enola gay. And I think this was the point at which the enola gay was in pieces and they were transmit transporting it maybe over to the other location of the Aaron Space Museum. Completely moving, completely moving. Uh now to go to something practical, was it later on that you went to India and got ordained as a uh Buddhist nun?

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Mm-hmm.

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And was it nice?

SPEAKER_01 7:20

I have uh before I ordain, somehow I I stay overnight as a nipponza my hoji mock, not for looking spiritual reasons, just experience ways, because you know, no no pay anything, just stay overnight and you know open temple, so I just do interesting go to niponza my hoji temple in Mumbai. But that time one of monks got sick, so this um like um Mumbai monk asking to us to go to the hospital bringing food. And bringing food is a hospital because India is not provided main meals, is not from hospital, each family has to bring food to patient people in hospital. So Mumbai monk asking to we are tourist people, but it's still overnight in a temple. So he asks to us to bring lunch or dinner to hospital. So I followed monk and when walking, this is like a Mumbai's huge, untouchable gate ghetto, or like how to say sram.

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Yes. Yes.

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So when I start walking sram, maybe around three, four miles, very long, big sram, and when start drumming and walking and chanting, many of shram people come to us offering rice, offering small one scent or uh frowa or a banana, whatever they have, they're giving to us. And I was kind of shocked because they are most poorest people and they're so open to us to offering all these things. So wow, I I have all money and I haven't, you know, I don't need anything, but I saw touching their generosity. So only where I bowing, because I feel this this, you know, poor people, untouchable people, to me, they are God to me. You know, God, Yod. So I feel this is God to me. So I just deep bowing and they're so happy to bow back because they are low-cast people, nobody bowed to them, I think. But I bow to them and they bow so beautifully. And that moment I feel oh this is the solution. If people bowing each other, more than just killing or a fight, more honoring each other will be changing world. That moment or this kind of experience changing my life. And somehow I bec become ordained and nipponza myohoji main practice is bowing people. Because each of you, you are sacred, each of you you are God, each of you, you are Buddha. So when I chant him Namu Myoho Renne Kyo, it's the same time bowing. This is my way to approach to the changing world.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Okay, well let's talk about that then, the changing the world. Uh, you may recall I did an interview of you uh that was on YouTube, it was at least 10 years ago, uh, and I had asked you at that point how we uh help people uh solve their suffering, but that was interrupted, and I never uh uh refocing on that when my son, who was around the age of five at the time, he was wearing the one of those funny glasses with the uh fake mustache on it, and you said that's the solution, meaning uh uh humor. So maybe this is the point at which you can tell everyone if they have a drug problem, if they have an alcohol problem, if they're suicidal, what is the solution? Is it just to have a connection with other people to support them or what?

SPEAKER_01 12:22

I was the experience in a Mohawk nation. They are traditional people and uh no traditional people, their discussion about making cashino Indian cashino, cashino or no cashino, you know, right in Elizabeth. So they have a big meeting midnight, so I like to support in traditional people to pray outside in a more peaceful way. So I was drumming and chanting outside in the middle of January and middle of night, middle of night. And so I was so frozen and I was so cold, and suddenly young some native guy, I don't know this is Mohawk guy, but looks like a native guy, he came to my drinking way. He said, What are you doing? And you know, he picked up my drum and hitting my drum to the ground very vibrant way. And after that he disappeared, so I thought this is that all he's drunk. So I keep drumming and chanting, and he came back again and he brought iron pipe. And he's so drunk, somehow he's so angry to my drum, I don't know why, but he's so drunk. So he tried to hitting my head. So I was I was, oh, this is my non-violent practice. Maybe I'm gonna go and die or uh, you know, hitting head. If he hitting head my my iron pipe will be finished. So I was my body is shaking, maybe scaring, maybe too cold January outside of nearby Canadian border. This may be too cold, too scaring, but this is my practice to how to look into this person deeply because he he's alcohol, because alcohol people behind has so much traumatized. So I have to look in more deeply, this more compassionate way to look in these people, and maybe I'm dy, but whatever life is finished, I'm dying anyway. So I just keep drumming and chanting. And somehow he tried hitting, but he was so drunk and he never hit in my head. But using iron pipe. So suddenly is uh you know inside meeting is over and many many native friends come up from inside big gathering site. And they saw this guy's drunk, so they stop and I survive. So that's my way. But I cannot say you have to do you have to do the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Well, I think my way to I think that's a great um that's a great path, June's on for criminal defense lawyers to show compassion to their clients, to show compassion to the prosecutors, the judges, the jurors, the jailers. Do you have more of a solution than you said though for how I show my clients who are drug addicts and alcoholics and suicidal to break out of that cycle beyond my showing them compassion and caring?

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Yeah, my way not hoping. What is limiting? So like my way sitting cold, please, front of prison, when I was in Abujibal prison, nobody around us. That is December, we have three people fasting with me. And seven days, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, nobody watching, and uh prison's entrance a little bit far away because only those prayers can put it, can't. So is some journalist people show up and they concern, how come you're doing prey here? Is nobody watching? And with very rain and cold, and why you have to do this way? That's journalist people asking. But she he also he starts cold, getting cold. Very, you know, very cold and you know become hungry. It's keynote sitting with me long time. And somehow we are sitting one week in front of Mumia's prison. End of time I saw far away the prison security people standing over there. So we start ending prayer and bow to them and they bow to us. But it's not by word. Just do they watching us over one week and outside rain cold. Somehow, if changing other people, it's I have to more sacrifice myself. That is my way to connect people's open up compassion.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

I remember when you did that fast. This was for Mumia Abu Jamal when he had uh was on death row in Pennsylvania before he got taken off death row, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Yeah, he already he already got sentenced death row. So that's the reason. We did walk from I we did the walk from Boston to the Boston is uh how to say the vulnerable prison that is uh um not King, another person, an African-American guy. Not King, but he's a leader of black movement.

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Yes.

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Malcolm X.

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Malcolm X. So we start walking from Malcolm X prison till Mumia Abu Jimar, Green Prison, 70 days walk. So when we arrive, somehow Mumia knows we are walking because so many um newspaper people show up when we are walking. They're writing about Mumia and about walk. So when we arrive to prison, Mumia already knows. So he wrote, thank you, Nord, thank you, you are walking for me. Thank you, you are praying for me. And after that, I hear his step up to this row sentence.

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Yes.

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So I move again to I move again to sitting in front of the prison one week.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

So this was a one-week drive fast where you only took a drink of water in the middle. Am I correct about this? No water. And um I think I read a fascinating article about an interview with you about this and about why you uh were bowing to the guards too. And I think you said the guards suffer also and they need compassion. Do I have this right?

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Yeah. Yeah, because I met so many guardmen, I met so many security prison security people, they come to peace powder under the construction. And I talk to this security people or prison guardmen people, they share own story and they have a difficult time because they have so much compassion, they are the mind, but they cannot show to compassion from the system. So they have a struggle, and some government people almost suicide himself. And he dies after. So I know that system, because each people have very beautiful compassion inside, but system cannot show to this compassion. And I met so many police people and uh I met so many police friends and come to peace by helping peace by when I was peace visual, even White House during the fasting time, these security police people watching over 20 days and some policeman come to bring in, you son today's nice day. I brought coffee for you, you know. I never ordered coffee to police people. But they're watching what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

The Secret Service uh agent brought you coffee uh during the 1991 Gulf War?

SPEAKER_01 22:45

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

And same way with that same way happening when I was sitting with a 30-year trial in Los Angeles. I was arrested one moment, but I come out and sitting 40 days, and uh judge people came thank you a prayer, and uh security people said, I now understand why you bowed to us. Thank you very much. And some policeman said, Oh, today is a rain day, I brought r you know an poncho, not raincoat, umbrella.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

They brought umbrella to me. They have compassion.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Whose trauma was that in Los Angeles? Whoa, who was non-trial in Los Angeles? Oh, that was that that was the trial that that sent him to uh prison for essentially the rest of his life? Yeah. Well let's if we can talk about Leonard LTA. Uh have you uh stay in contact with him?

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Yeah, I uh it's a very amazing way because many of uh native people he's a symbol of Native American people's how to say like uh black ghost, black voice, like one person punishment. Everybody's scaring uh black sheep sheep they call black sheep, you understand? Yes, so Leonard is for Native American people. Scapegoat. Oh scapegoat, sorry. Can you tell? I cannot pronounce scapegoat. You understand?

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Yes.

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So for Native American people, whatever action to stand in front of uh society, standing over American society, is will be some kind of punishment coming. So Reynolds is kind of a symbolic person to native people. So many, many Native people come to court, over a hundred people. So I I was inviting native friends to come to Johnson to Los Angeles to do prayer for the freedom. So I went there and there Native American people is a very spiritual people, so they pray sundrise time, they come back sunset time. Every day, sundrise time, sunset time, they come to gather in prayer. So I was I decided sitting between sunrise to sunset, to sit in front of the courtroom. So that time over a hundred people, native French show up and some medicine man putting like a medicine buffalo scarf or a sage, you know, making all the middle of a courthouse.

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Yes.

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And somehow policeman people said you cannot pray no more, everybody have to move from this place to the public road, otherwise we're gonna arrest you. So medicine man asked everybody move to the more public road site, and medicine man and cousin and medicine man's support are three people decide um nearby order, native auta, you know, and they know that they arrested. So other people move to the public cloud, so suddenly hundreds police people show up and they are rested to three people. So I feel I should bow to the police people. So I bow to middle of place to the bow to police people, just jump in to the middle of, you know, between police people, between Native American friends. I jump in and bow to the police people and they arrest me.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

So I no, it's crazy. This is society system.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

So I was crazy by the cops, not by you.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

It's okay, it's just it's so I went inside, I was inside like hoarding, they're called hoarding cells. Is this correct?

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

So I was small hoarding cell, and they took my drums, but I have a shoes, so I start using shoes to chanting a using my shoes but like a drum sitting floor. And after 10 minutes, 20 minutes, some security people came say, or police people come say, shut up, you know. So I bow to them. And after 10 minutes, I keep chanting drumming, and and another police people come in and say, Shut up. Smiling and bowing, and you know, keep chanting drumming. And somehow they understand I'm Japanese, so they're talking in front of me. Maybe this person not understands English. So they found I'm Japanese somehow, and some policeman talk by Japanese. Urusai. Urusai meaning shut up by Japanese.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

So I'm always I'm always smiling, very funny, so I just smiling and bowing. And after, you know, these people shout shouting, shut up, shut up, but I smiling and bowing. And next to waiting cell is a wall. How to say wall? Yes, wall. Somebody knocked. And he said and he said like this. So I said, Who you are? She said, Tertiar. Wow! He was he was sitting next door, next room, waiting the court. And he heard my prayer, and he said, Thank you a prayer. And after maybe ten minutes, he passed in front of myself to bowing to me, and I bowed to Keltia and become friends. So and I know necessary sitting a whole year, just I bow to police people, no criminal or anything. So I stay maybe a couple hours or four hours and I move out. No reason to stay inside. So and when I go to the front, I when I go out, the one policeman said, How come you are bowing to us? So I said, Well, I believe each of you, you have a beautiful soul. I believe each of you, you have a beautiful God inside. That's why bowing to you. And one policeman said, Wow, this is a beautiful idea, he said. So anyway, somehow I connect to inside people and I sitting outside for 40 days. And that time I was one day one meal because if I eat all the time, I have to go to the toilet all the time. So only one day one meal and pray. And so that time after 20 days, some of police people come to bring me umbrella when the rain is, some people bring some orange juice from inside the security person, or some, you know, some of just judgy person, I don't know which judge says thank you, Abraia, or you know. It's very amazing to me. Well, that's my experience.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

This is all great to know and internalize, but of course, Leonard Pelletier is still incarcerated. What is needed to get him freed?

SPEAKER_01 32:37

So I know just only that time. He got sentenced. I keep we keep moving, and we crossed America with Denspunk's peace book. We stop Parity as prison and we are fast in front of prison four days fasting. And many of native people keep doing quality as freedom gathering and also peace books to parity as prison. So I know many of my friend Native friends still very active supporting, they never give up. Because this is a part of the native struggle, not only Pier.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Yes. And what is your connection with Native Americans and how did that start?

SPEAKER_01 33:35

That's even story too. Um because um when I became nun, my teacher Fuji Guji said many American friends who come to Japan. He spoke Tokyo to Hiroshima. So please take care of American friends. But I'm not happy to go back to Japan. I like to happy to stay India or Nepal or Sri Lanka because they are poor country material, but they have a more rich spirituality, more warm heart, more than Japan. So I like to stay after then. I very want to stay more like a more developed country. I see more spiritual side is more developed, not more rich. But my teacher said, please go back to Japan to take in care of American people. So I back to Japan, walk Tokyo to Hiroshima, three months walk. But amazing, ending or ending Hiroshima time, Native American friend, this is Dan Spank's friend, um, Lee Breitman, he's a California professor, Lakota, Lakota man. So he came to the Hiroshima and he shared his story, struggle of America in United States, also spiritual side. How respects Mother Earth, how respects all living things. We are all related, we are thinking about seventh generation. This is amazing spiritual, most highest spiritual level to me. So I start interesting Native American friends. And somehow next year they have a longest walk. And somehow I came to America to walk with Native friends. And when you walk across America from San Francisco to Washington DC over six months, native people every day prayer morning sunrise prayer, always prayer. And when prayers, they always say thank you. Beginning with thank you, middle of prayer say thank you, end of prayer, thank you. And Vajiguruji said, Native American prayer is always appreciation. Appreciation. And I feel these people, if these people more and more key pray, we'll be changing America. That's my feeling. So I stay with me to the friend. And same way, Fujigu is the same way to talking to me.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

You mentioned Dennis Banks. You had a very close and long friendship with him, didn't you?

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Yeah, because Dennis organized the longest walk.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

Was Dennis on the longest walk? Did he participate?

SPEAKER_01 37:07

No, only California. No, because Dennis is uh on sanctuary on the California, Governor Brown gives Sanctuary California. So he can moving around California, but if move out from California, it's arresting.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

So Dennis Banks, he was one of the uh co-founders of the American Indian Movement.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

And uh were you later uh trying to help him get sanctuary in New York after uh Governor Brown uh left office in California?

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Yeah, that's on also this very coincidence or what, but I never thinking I'd come with Dennis to escape. Because my focus, because new governor no give sanctuary, new governor Yuke Majon tried to arrest him Dennis. So I hear the new governor not welcoming Dennis in California. So I feel I should pray front of governor's office, in front of governor's office, he's a Sacramento, California capital, you know. So I was decided fasting one month of governor's office, but I have to get permission from Dennis because I using his name and freedom. So I knocked knocked door to Dennis's house and they're sharing my idea and he said, Oh Junza, too late, we have to escape, please come over with us. So he invited me to escape with my you know to the family and I was riding with wife and children's car and Dennis is escaped as a car with other friends. So we escaped ending Onondaga Nation. That way happened.

SPEAKER_02 39:35

And is that when uh Chief Leon Shenandoah was the head of the Onondaga Nation in New York?

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Yeah, correctly. And uh so Onondaga Nation people give sanctuary to Dennis, but no sanctuary to New York State. So Dennis asked Governor Komosan to get sanctuary from New York State.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

That didn't happen, I don't think, did it?

SPEAKER_01 40:10

No happening, but that time I decided walk from Onondaga Nation to Albany every month and sit in front of the capital one week fasting and going by Hichark to Onondaga and come back again to walk to Albany from Onondaga Nation and fasting again. I did one year good same routine. Fasting, walking, fasting, walking. And the end of the one year, Hank Hazelton is around the owner, his pavadas, he showed up and he said, I want to make peace pawoda, my land. That's where happened. And same time, then changing mind, he no want no more hiding, he wants surrendering. So he he backed to South Dakota Courthouse.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Yes, unfortunately, Dennis was eventually released, and that's how I met him several times when he was with you.

SPEAKER_01 41:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Well, you talked about Hank Hazleton and and that's where your peace pagoda is now, right? In Grafton, New York.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Yeah. But without Denis Tanks suffering, yeah, you know, he's a leader of the American Indian movement, people try to arrest him, he has to escape, he couldn't he cannot get freedom, a small area, you know, he was suffering. So from his suffering, somehow connects to somehow happiness grafting people.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

And Dennis was such a wonderful person. He seemed so selfless whenever I would speak with him. He didn't seem to dwell on his own suffering, he seemed to focus on other people's well-being and happiness. Do I have that right?

SPEAKER_01 42:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

What an amazing question is.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

He was beginning time. He was four years old, and you know, spending boarding school, never met mom again, you know, always suffering, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:51

Yes, and I read uh Dennis's autobiography, Ojibwe Warrior, where he writes about that, going right back to when he was a child, like you said, being sent to the boarding school, uh one one of those many American boarding schools and have them have them in Canada too. Uh to to work to take the uh Indian culture out of the Native Americans. It was terrible.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

That is a part of the conflicts.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

We have these cages for people who are sent to prison. And before the Westerners came, there were no cages. Please talk to us about that. Uh what should we really do? Do we eliminate all prisons or or just uh reduce the number of people in prisons?

SPEAKER_01 43:44

No, if you know, system is just always say say judging, oh you're a bad guy, sentence. But behind has has some reason why step up this kind of criminal way they have a reason. So it's not only punishment these people because society is creating this this crimin this kind of situation. If these criminal people born very different family or different environment never happening to the criminal way that's no their character. Maybe a little bit angry mind or a little bit no behave but not necessary step up very heavy prison criminal way because societies part of the society the very funny way if one person killing other one person for life sentence and if you're going to the war killing all village people and children, mom and grandchildren, no grandfather grandmother killing you got metal to honoring to honoring to the saved country or something but killing to other people. So those kind of society's mind society's system is okay to kill well I remember um and I very and respect some of native friends like Alaska Indian Friend Society or Aishyad Navajo society Navajo Indian Society they know judging before judging whole family, both family and criminal person or a just damaged person, the whole family come together to listen why happen what kind of people before judging listening their life story and so touch connected both sides. Because everybody has the same angriness same difficult time or something angry or angry or jealousy whatever that is why this person doing the criminal listen to the this kind of story and how damaged family whatever got killed whatever harmed how damaged these people family side.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

So both people cheering on something and and ending time the complete different judgment both sides those kind system we need not just oh you have person punishment this is all the way and that that's a practical way for us to reform the American justice system Jun San because there is a movement called restorative justice like you said to get the uh the the accused criminal and his uh his alleged victim together to uh for for there to be uh a resolution that's more satisfying for everybody yeah that's IHEA now many of my friends doing things so it's a step up I I appreciate and I hear some prison is not heavy sentence prison middle of a sentence prison people the local people offering seed and they can make garden and they can harvest vegetables and training the dog to helping the heating people many different happened you know yes not just local I remember you and I were talking about a year or two ago about this man you knew who was accused of uh killing somebody and uh one of the first things you said to me was that whoever killed the victim uh you know is also suffering and I really try to convey that to prosecutors police jurors and judges that you know even if someone does something terrible like committing murder that doesn't mean they're not suffering inside that doesn't mean that they cannot be reformed that doesn't mean that the that that they can't become a new person who doesn't cause violence or crimes anymore and also prison system is like um I one of my friend Pita he used to be prison prison union lawyer you know prison has a union yes so he's a lawyer of prison union and he said we they're very happy to make more prison so this way more get job and more gets to the you know when more get prison feels like more security of society and nobody against no normal making prison more more security for each local community and so when you're making prison you need inmate people so they're looking criminal people so most easy way to arrest it minority people because they don't have power they don't have money they cannot hire lawyers so those people easy to arrest and put in prison and I went one time walking to the private prison in California and this is middle of desert and this private prison some of the inmate people from Alaska from Hawaii nobody can know how to family come to visit it and inside the inmate people is a free labor no pay anything just use like a free free labor so making money to private prison to very become rich so it's very very unhumanized way using inmate people to like a ma robot and how to change these people if we this kind of way to treat not treat only punishment. Right well you you've identified uh three problems here one is the uh the uh systemic racism in the criminal justice system the other one is that when we have these private prisons and even the uh government run prisons well certainly with the private prisons some of them are actually traded on the stock market so of course the private prisons make more money from inmates and then there's this drive to put people into prison it's awful and that's why I'm happy I'm on the criminal defense side uh we we of course need people pushing on both sides I'm pushing on the side of uh pursuing as much justice and and liberty as possible for my clients and then we need the people pushing on the public policy side and then we need people like you Junasan who are kind to everybody but are are are still tough as nails identifying what the problems are because you you don't candy coat your words you just said it yourself this is a very unjust uh criminal justice system and unjust uh prison system including with all this about getting this cheap and free labor from the inmates yeah so one I have a wonderful friend she working inside the prison and she's a counsel of alcohol drug counselor and she uh she changing her family name so used to be her name is like um yasuda sam my name is uh family name yasuda yes so everybody called to all official people call to the name Yasuda so my friend is Yasuda san name but she changing name her name is Rab L O B E so she changing family name to Rab Lobui so everybody has to call her Rabusa wonderful when you when you you call to her Rab each each people is have to remind love. Yes you know this is an amazing person so I really have the hope that people concern this kind of my friend she keeps staying inside with inmate people listening their stroll and try to you know keep listening even just listening is a wonderful way to connect human to human wow uh junstan I told you that we're gonna be an hour together and we're just about at that hour. I do I do want to tell you what I've told people on this show before sometimes Jun son when I'm having a really challenging time in court I imagine that my uh Toronto law teacher Steve Wrench is standing on one side of me and then my martial arts teacher is standing on my other side and there's Junstan with me too helping me become more peaceful and non-angry because we're much more powerful or not angry. And Junstan, one of my martial arts teachers has said do not let our teachers forget how much we appreciate them. Jun sanest teachers and I appreciate you so deeply I really appreciate you taking the time with us today. Is there anything you wish to tell the audience before we sign off that you have not already told them yeah Ping said step by step by walk if you cannot walk you just to you know first he said he said run but you cannot run to the dream you can walk step by step but if you cannot walk by step by step I have to crawl he said so even I cannot walk no more my foot or my body or my mind I try to crawl to the beach to the our human dream thank you so much Jun san you're welcome Namu myo horenge kyo excuse meo horengyo Namyo horen kyo yeso kozay mashtaimas everybody thanks Johnson thank you it is not easy for me to close now because I love spending time with Juny Astuda but I am going to close now thank you to Junya Studa this is John Katz a criminal defense and DWI defense lawyer in Fairfax.

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