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Welcome to Beat the Prosecution, presented by Northern Virginia criminal defense and DUI lawyer Jonathan Katz, where we are here to regularly present you information and ideas for beating your prosecution as best as possible. Nothing on any of our media sources, such as our podcast or website, is legal advice. John Katz only provides legal advice to current clients or for individuals who have paid for a consultation. And now for your host, John Katz.

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Hello, everybody. This is John Katz at Beat the Prosecution. I am a criminal defense and DUI defense lawyer in Fairfax, Virginia. Every show that we've had an interview at, I have been having trouble containing my excitement. I have had the creme de la creme of people in each area of their fields. And today we have my Tai Chichuan martial arts teacher, Julian Shu. To me, he is not just a great Tai Chichuan teacher. He is a great human being. He is a great teacher. He is a selfless teacher. Why, you may ask, are we going to talk about Tai Chichuan on the Beat the Prosecution podcast? Well, whether or not I'm worthy of putting the Tai Chi Chuan symbol on my uh law firm symbol, it is there. It's also known as the yin yang Tai Chi symbol, the supreme ultimate, intertwined with the scales of justice. Because for me to win for my clients, to help my clients be more stable and uh feel more stable, feel more calm, feel more grounded in a winning way, we have to be able to harmonize and balance situations. And that's a lot about what Tai Chi is about. But more than that, I want you to hear from Julian Chu. Julian, please introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

All right. Uh thank you for inviting me to your podcast. Uh again, my name is Julian Chu. I've been in this DC area since 1981. Uh I was born in China right after World War II in 1946, so now you can guess how old I am. Uh, in fact, I'm gonna be uh 78 years old in three months. Uh I went from China to Taiwan with my parents when I was only three years old. And uh I grew up there uh until uh 1972 when I was uh uh at age uh 26, and then that I came to the United States uh for graduate studies at uh University of Illinois in Champaign, Habana. And I got my uh further uh advanced degree, and then I started working um in uh in Tennessee Valley Authority in TV uh in Tennessee uh for about 15 years, and then I came to Washington, D.C. working for the U.S. Army for another 34 years. Totally. I worked for the federal government for over 43 years, but my most enjoyable things in my life is I was lucky to be able to learn something that was that I think is very beneficial, not just to myself and to other people as well. So got a permission from my teacher, I start teaching uh even when I was uh in Tennessee. Uh so I'm glad I have this opportunity today to share with you about my knowledge and experience about Tai Chi Chan.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Uh thank you, Julian. Well, Julian, I found out about you as my third uh set of Tai Chi teachers. I checked with Vic Crawford, who was a fellow trial lawyer back around 1991 about teachers, because I met him through the criminal defense community. And through him, I met Lennon Ellen Kennedy, who uh were students through Ben Smith, who was uh Chiang Man Chang's first Western student, I understand. And then I uh was practicing with David Wallace Kaufman, and one of his students mentioned you. So if you could maybe uh tell a little bit about your uh Tai Chi lineage, including the form of Tai Chi that you do, your relationship with Ben Low and Chang Man Chang, uh, and also why you chose Tai Chichuan and whether it was Ben Low's and uh Chang Man Chang's form that you started with, or maybe the uh an earlier form, like the long form of Tai Chichuan.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Okay, thank you, Jong. Uh, you know, as a uh Chinese, I had uh this kind of cultural background and learning something about Tai Chi, but actually I didn't know much about it until you know I started working uh in the United States. Uh I began to curious uh myself, you know, what is all about this art of Tai Chi Chan? And uh I read some articles and I study a lot about uh its background, and uh I could not believe in it because how could a uh winkling uh abling to overcome a strong lumberjack, and uh how could the softness can overcome harness and uh you know how the steelers can be better to overcome some vigorous movements and so forth. And so I began to explore the opportunity to learn Tai Chi Chuan after my graduate study. After I I have I had worked for a couple of years in my engineering profession. Uh fortunately, I ran into a guy uh living in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Uh, I saw him doing the Tai Chi Saw and the Tai Chi Chuan and so forth and asked him to uh teach me. Uh he was hasted for about a few months, and finally he called me up and he was willing to teach me. So that is an opportunity for me to begin uh learning something about Tai Chi Chuan. And I learned firstly from that gentleman, uh he's a mechanical engineering Dr. Fu, uh, the traditional young style Tai Chi Chuan. So I I was very, very interested in the moment I began to understand a little bit more from Dr. Fu. And uh afterwards we practiced the so-called push hand, that's the application of Tai Chi Chuan, and we try to figure out you know the philosophy, the theoretical uh principles behind it. Uh still that I had a lot of questions. Uh then there was a chance uh way back in 1981, 82 time frame, and uh I had opportunity to go to San Francisco uh attending a chemical engineering conference there, so I had a chance to ask questions around with people I tried to visit. And finally, the uh I was introduced to a person, his name is Benji Bin Lo, and I didn't know him at the time. And uh fortunately and amazingly, he was able to answer almost all of my questions, and I was so impressed on the phone with him, so I tried to ask him if he can meet me in person, and he was generously accepted my suggestion, so I went to his uh Tai Chi studio in San Francisco. The first time I met him, and we talked a lot, and by the way, you know, as John mentioned, you know, he is the senior student of Professor Jeman Qing in Taiwan. Actually, he was the first student of Professor Jem Manqing in Taiwan. Anyway, so I ran into Benjamin Lowe in San Francisco and uh he asked me to do the form I learned from Dr. Fu. So I did. So I was uh probably finished all the long form I learned from Dr. Fu. And afterwards he looked at me and he said, Julian, I don't know how to tell you none of your posture was correct, and I was kind of uh upset internally, but I did not tell him you know my discomfort with that kind of comment on my pastures. So I then challenged him by saying what would be the correct departures, and he showed me a very basic one, the the what-off. So he asked me to push him. Oh, I say, well, you know, be careful because I'm a strong, tall guy. So I did push him vigorously, and guess what? I was bounced off immediately. And then I asked him, what is this? He said, This is a Tai Chi Chuan. So I was amazed, and also as you may know, very disappointed myself. So and that was how I began to really understand the martial application of Tai Chiang, which is not just a physical exercise. So uh afterwards uh I had an opportunity to invite him to come into my house in Knoxville, uh, Tennessee. And that's how I got into the very, very basic character uh uh uh forms of Tai Chi Chuan. I built up my capability from there. Uh and it was very interesting, and I found myself changed not just physically, also internally. And again, I was not satisfied with whatever I got. So with every opportunity, I traveled to other big cities like Boston, like uh, you know, Chicago and you know, and other universities, and I ran into their library, I dig out a lot of stuff, I learned a lot. And uh so accumulating from what I needed knowledge from both the book, the article I read, and also from my own practice correctly, unfortunately, from Benjamin Lowe. And that's how I improve a little bit day by day to the current status.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Well, um, if you look up uh Julian Shu uh on YouTube and look at him uh doing Tai Chi uh push hands, you'll see what he means because he's able to do that uh with people who are pushing hands with him. Uh Julian, do you have any tea have you had any teachers of the Chiang Man Ching uh style of Tai Chi other than Benjamin Lo?

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Uh I ran into Benjamin's classmates as introduced uh by my teacher Benjamin Lo, for example, in Taiwan. Yes, I ran into uh a field of them, and uh uh and uh you know some of the you know uh uh with a different kind of learning background, but fortunately I feel that you know they they all have some kind of accomplishment individually themselves, but still I'm very proud of it, my teacher, Benjamin Lowe, and because you know he's he is well uh uh well known and well accepted by most Americans uh who uh interest in in Tai Chi from him.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Well, no offense to you. Of course, uh Master Lowe is a superstar, was a superstar. I had the privilege of being at several of his weekend sessions in the DC area, and and I uh know what you mean, but of course you know more than that. Uh Julian, you were mentioning that uh Tai Chi, I think you said is not just a martial art. Could you please tell the audience about uh the scientific relevance of why Tai Chi really works, uh its relevance to uh uh acupuncture and acupressure, if at all, and just anything else about why this really works, uh, because you said you were skeptical at first. And so maybe some of the listeners are skeptical.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Oh well, you know, if you want me to talk about the science of Tai G, which is such a big and profound area, and uh, you know, I don't know how I can describe the basic science of Tai G just in a few minutes by a few words. But fortunately, you know, I have recently published uh some articles, and I would strongly suggest you take a chance to read my articles uh and then uh you know give you some uh uh background knowledge uh and then that you might be able to uh digest a little bit further after my discussion today. First of all, let me give you the website uh uh that is built up by one of my students, uh, which is very, very uh not uh uh useful. It has a lot of information in that. I think probably uh one of the best websites in terms of a Tai Chi information resources. Okay, the website uh is H T T P S colons backslash backslash tai G D C. That's a T A I J I D C dot WordPress W-O-R-D-P-R-E-S-S dot com. In there uh you can you can find a lot of information. Uh if you go into the uh tech uh the text resources, you will see uh not just my publication and also uh the other people's publication we post on there. Uh for example, the uh the very basic uh uh Tai Chi article in terms of martial application, uh I published one in June 2022. The title is Biomechanical Analysis of a Tai Chi Martial Application. And uh in terms of the benefit of Tai Chi to human health and also to count any uh stress, uh for example, I uh published an article uh uh in December 2020 entitled The Biomechanical Aspect of a Tai Chi Trend Countermeasure Against Health Threat during space flight. So if you think that uh you have a lot of stress, you as a lawyer uh in the court uh in front of a judge, or you are in any other uh argumental uh uh uh situation, you think you have a stress, do you think you have more stress and alternance you know in the space? Okay, anyway, uh let me go just a little bit about the the the tai chi why we practice tai chi okay actually itself is very enjoy enjoyable and very challenging that can fulfill uh the the the the other good benefit for health, and also you should improve the practitioner skill as a martial artist as well. So why is that so why the the you know it can it can be good for the health and also can be a martial art? And you may recall, you know, the the time magazine called Tai Chi Chen as a perfect exercise way back in 20 uh 2002, as it combined in intense mental focus with the deliberate and graceful movement, you know, that improved the health, agility, and also the balance, particularly for the uh elderly. The cable news network also described Tai Chi Chuan as the medicine emotion in 2019. But for me, I always tell my students that the Tai Chi Chen itself is a meditation emotion. Okay, how how is that? Because you need to do so by your mental mindfulness, and also you need to learn how to relax in order to achieve your inner peace. So, what is all about the mindfulness meditation and the relaxation response? Okay, so you know, we are facing our daily life, and we are always trying to focus and try to meet all kinds of challenges, so our mind is always in in terms of a in the brain wave in the in the beta stage. So in in Tai Chi, we need to first learn to calm down ourselves, okay, to change our mind status to the extent possible from the beta wave into the so-called alpha wave to slow down alpha, and uh by so doing, and then we will be able to generate some brain hormones that can make us feel good, like you know, dopamine and the endophones, for example. Okay, so how we are going to do the meditation, okay. So if you don't practice, you will never know what is about meditation. I have a I can talk about this for a few hours in terms of meditation, but briefly I can I can I can share with you that for for any one of you, you try to empty your mind, you can do something, uh, calm yourself down, and uh there are two functions uh why you are doing meditation. So you try to open up your mind and then like a daydreaming. Okay, that means you are in the default mode network DMN. That is the open monitoring meditation. So very simple example of that is your mind began to wander in like a monkey mind, which is good, but the more you into that, you know, you will become too worried, and you sometimes you will try to blame yourself based on your past bad experience in that in a deformable network. But you cannot afford it. Sometimes if you empty your mind, if you don't do some daydreaming, you will get into that. So, which is not too bad when you try to empty your mind into that situation and try, you know, try to make yourself feel good but that will have some kind of bad effect so in the other part of of of the meditation yes you also need to do so-called focus attention meditation that's called a tax positive network so so in any meditation would be just one of the other you have both but you those are two two exclusive meditation circumstances circumstances so you try to there you try to make yourself comfortable and then you try to empty your mind you try to not think much you will easily get into the deformal network you do the daydreaming but then you need to do some test path or you need to focus something so the way we do so is in Tai Chi is we ask you to focus your mind into your abdomen that's we call the Dantian and that is actually doing diaphragmatic breathing. So you have to focus on something so we focus on that diaphragmatic breathing movement of that so and then after a while you may change your mind you're back into daydreaming again so back and forth okay those two are changeable but mutually exclusive but you have to do both in terms of uh the meditation so in so doing you need to be mindfulness so what is a mindfulness that is in a non-judgmental manner while you're so doing so we do Tai Chi you heard I said it's meditation emotion so we when we do the form you walking you do anything in your daily life okay you need to focus on your breathing you must do diaphragmatic breathing 24 hours a day seven days a week uh I have a lot to say about that but let me just stop here for the moment let John ask me questions I will go into that much deeper.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

Well just uh for people who are uh uh listening in the middle of this uh believe it or not this is part of the beat the prosecution Hamad chemist versus how to win in court because as I said a big part of how I'm to win in court and how I deal with the bows and emeralds is my um chi I'm a Julian um I know that um I have a lot farther to go with tamaichi and making sure to stick with it but I do remember um Benjamin Lowe did say to me one day you have to at least practice the Temai Chi morning and night. And he said this to me at least 15 years ago when I was just practicing it daily. And I find that when I um and how about you for this Julian when I practice the form of Taichi the 37 pastures in the morning I'm ready for all the bows and arrows that are going to take place in court and the rest of life all these unexpected bows and arrows for the day. And when I do the Tai Chi form at night it helps me get a more restful sleep so then I can start all over again fighting the next day. Does that comport at all with your own experience?

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Yes like I like I said earlier one of the publications is the countermeasures of the threats for astronauts in space flight so when astronauts in in the space in that kind of noisy in that kind of stress frustration so how can they overcome all this kind of mental and physical problems? So you might like I just said you might do diaphragmatic breathing. Okay so what is the benefit of diaphragmatic breathing? So so the diaphragm itself is connection to two nerve systems not both parasympathetic nerve one is a parental nerve another one is the very important vagus nerve okay those two nerves okay will activate your parasympathetic nerve try to balance the sympathetic nerve part so we do tai chips every day in this form and uh you know how many times one time and two times but you have to do it correctly because you have to follow all the tai chi classics requirements and then after you do so for many years for for for quite a while and consistently and then you should get slowly get some kind of a benefit that you will not imagine before. So what kind of a principle in terms of Taichi classic so tai chiant itself is not just the aerobic exercise and it's not just a dance like a ballet like exercise okay it's an integrated whole body movement kind of an exercise so when we do Tai Chi if you see a lot of arm movement for example those arms should not should not move by the arm themselves so I always try to explain that to my students when you were a young baby you were firstborn you are you are three months old you are six months old even you're one year old when you are in the crab and you don't know how to use your arms you use your whole body to turn and that is Tai Chi.

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And when we grow up we forgot all about it okay we began to use hands arms to grab something handy we use piecemeal effort it's those are the class three level we forgot about the other good part of the whole body integration so that's I said in a Tai Chi when we do so in the practice you must forget about your arms you must learn how to integrate your whole body you must do the form you move your arms with your foot with your feet with your legs in other words you use your lower part of your body doing the sixth degree of freedom to control the upper toss including your arms that is Taichi okay in so doing in a mindfulness and meditative situation you control your brain you are in the you slow down your your your brain wave and also you generate a lot of good hormones in your body make yourself feel good and you calm down and you activate your nerve system you begin to feel you are changing from exteriorception that means what's happening around you you know about uh in your in your routine uh uh life and then you begin to understand proprioception that's where is your part of body in space so you're changing from exteriorception to the proprioception when you integrate your body in that combined movement controlled by your lower part of your body your feet control your leg your leg control your waist your waist control your spine core your spine core control your shoulder blade your shoulder blade control your arm your arm control your fingers in that manner you're doing in the in the in the very comfortable quite enjoyable manner and you will begin to feel interoception that means what's happening inside your body and that is the key so once you get into from exteriorception to proprioception and then to interoception then you will understand what tai chi is all about and and you still need to practice tai chi a few times a day with the whole body movement in that integrated manner but however when you are not actually doing a tai chi form you are still doing tai chi in so every movement every action you do is tai chi so i always tell my student you are incorporate the tai chi principle in your daily life and you do tai chi all the time in your daily activities so in other words somebody just practice tai chi one time two times five minutes ten minutes you do tai chi for 24 hours even while you are sleeping you do diaphrate breathing if you in the in the aerospace you do diaphragmatic breathing that is about the secret of Tai Chi Chan practices excellent Julian so those among those lawyers among us who uh practice tai chi chuan uh who have our clients who are uh just stressed and full of anxiety what can we do for our clients with tai chi short of our practicing tai chi are getting to zero other than our um helping our our clients learn tai chi are there certain things they can do to at least start to get to harmony whether it be lifting hands knowing the five tai chi principles the breathing anything yes so when you are faced those kind of circumstances uh you try to control okay the situation around you you must have something good in your own pocket so you gotta have million dollars in your pocket so you feel you're rich so you are not worried about all the expenses or that you have confidence so what is that million dollars in your own pocket that is your ability that is your diphthermatical breathing is all about so if when you feel the threat in any circumstances in the core or in some other areas you know you are encountering and so what will you do first?

SPEAKER_02 33:24

That in human nature you will become nervous and you will suddenly try to counter those kind of threats so that will cause you to probably into a situation a situation called a McDonald hijack. So even your nerve okay you are you are very stressful and you don't know what to do and then you try to counterback and try to win something all right but once you begin to understand the principle Tai Chi and you have million dollars in your pocket that means you are doing diphthermatic breathing and you are in good balance between your sympathetic nerve and your parasympathetic nerve and you are in calm down situation you slow down your brain wave and then you do all those good things in the practice of Tai Chi you get those kind of neuroscular skeleton you know controls you know balance those kinds of experiences you build up in your brain in your hippocampus so you collect all the good experience all those kind of feeling all the kind of uh uh accumulated dollars in your pocket into your hippocampus so you are facing this kind of situation you have a confidence and you know how to control the situation and you can overcome the I McDonald hijack into all those kind of the stressful situations okay I just put out the the the complicated things in in a very simple uh you know general terms for you to understand.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

Excellent so some of the things that I do with that Julian is let's see uh say a prosecutor's yelling at me instead of me getting ready to yell back at the prosecutor, as long as the prosecutor is not yelling uh for my client to hear, that means the prosecutor's lost control. He is not stable he is not um balanced and I'm getting some information from the prosecutor that he maybe doesn't mean to give to me. I'm getting some gold out of the feces in his in his words. And with the judge who might be raising his voice at me, I know that if I stay calm, focused on my breath, relax and sink that negative energy into my tan, that I can turn around on the judge when the judge sees that he's not getting anywhere with me to yell at me or try to throw me off. And then I calmly respond to him and sometimes he realizes that I was right all along and he agrees with me. Does any of this make sense in terms of how I try to apply the the tai chi principles and what I learned through my practice?

SPEAKER_02 36:10

Yes. Okay so you are not very emotional after you learn all those from your daily practice of tai chi not just physically but also mentally okay you again not gonna be affected you know by anybody else's you have a good control of your paralception and also your interiorception so in that case you just pay attention to the current moment that you are facing and with with with good confidence with good experience you know stored in your hippocampus you know how to deal with it okay from your tai chi exercise right so you have a good attitude of openness okay and also you are able to accept you know any adverse circumstance and you are confident that you know you can control you can handle okay from your both physical training most importantly associated mental training from your daily tai chi practices. Excellent and in this regard please tell the audience what are the five principles of tai chi please address uh softness as opposed to limpness and rigidness and please address investing in loss so the five principles investing in loss and softness yes you know uh the the tai chi classics uh that you know that there are so many uh of them and unfortunately those are written in the uh uh metaphor uh uh ambiguous language that most people could not understand that's the reason why I try to use some modern science to explain those kind of situations to explain those Tai Chi classics in in my uh publication in the paper I just uh mentioned to you uh as John mentioned about those uh you know five principles uh my teacher Benjamin Lowe uh helped try to help students to understand all that using those uh very five basic elements and they are in alphabetic order r s t u v okay in terms of importance so what is r you heard from John the R is is relaxation you need to be relaxed you need to learn how to relax you got to be relaxed all the time 247 to the extent possible and what is S the S stands for separate separation separate separation of what so when we do the form practice in Tai Chi Chuan movements we need to separate our body weight that's requirements so you need to place your body weight on one leg each time in those sequential movements so you think that uh you can do so but let me tell you once you keep your body upright you bend your hip joint you try to relax yourself and then when you have all your body weight on one leg that will be a very challenging requirement okay so you may be weighing 150 pounds but once you relax your joints and so you may feel that you are 300 pounds on your feet when you when you separate your body weight in the relaxation mode. And the third word is T. What's the T stand for T means turn you got to turn your waist along with your hip joints all the time so I like I said earlier we don't use arm in Tai Chi. So how we are not using the arm so you must first learn to use your waist turn to direct your arm movements. That's very basic step okay so you gotta turn your waist and your hip joint you just try you can try yourself just just turn waist all the time back and forth back and forth right and right and left you begin to learn the rotational power the torque of the rotational power generated from the ground okay I mentioned that a little bit later that's what the turn the T is all about you means upright you have to keep your body upright all the time you need to be relaxed and your body got to be upright in order not to counter any gravity okay if your body is misshaped you're not in good balance that means you always try to have a stress physically in your body so we have to keep body upright all the time that's what you is it's all about the last one is V. V, I use my granddaughter's name Valerie. Okay that's a V. You gotta put your hand straight in soft and gentle like my granddaughter Valerie okay so it's a beautiful lady's hand. So the hand must be relaxed because the sensation is started when you feel something is your fingertips. So once you relax you keep the beautiful lady's hand keep the Valerie's type of hand and you you will gradually gradually motivate your your your movements with a good sensation first you can feel that in your fingertips. That's what beautiful lady saying is all about so that's what that's we I my teacher uses five words R, S, T, U, V, and ask R to to follow that, do that all the time in every movement of your part and then he would challenge us in every individual requirement the R or S or T and U and V.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

And then he said you got to do all five together yes indeed now softness what is the the benefit of softness what is meant by that versus brittleness or or limpness and how does that help us with sensing okay I that was my basic question for when I first learned Tai Chi.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

How can softness how can supplement be beneficial and even better than my strong muscular force okay um really we okay try to develop this this the the softest the supplement circumstance from what that is the associated benefit from your body and mental relaxation. So once you relax, you don't use the the the muscle, the boot muscle. You got to you got to build some kind of other muscles. Okay. We do use muscles. Doesn't mean a tai chi is just just a collaps situation you're beaten up by everybody. Hell no I can tell you I my softness is even stronger than your muscular brutal force if you don't believe me I can I can show that to you. Okay. So how come why so why softeners can overcome the harness that was my first question when I began to learn Tai Chi. Okay that's some people got to understand. So so you gotta be soft you got to relax you got to you got to relax your your mental stage you got to train different kinds of muscle what kind of muscle do I train I train my deep layer core muscles I have a very strong deep layer of core muscles in my Tai Chi back. Those are strong core muscles attached directly to all my bones all my spinal cords all my leg uh bones okay so how can solve this then overcome the thousand pound tai qi chan is a small person's sport we do not use force against force in that case the weaklings will be beaten up by a strong person a big muscular person but we are smart we do not fight with the Buddha force directly we know how to use leverage so if you give me a a rod I can yank the whole earth with the leverage so with the softeners my power not coming from my arms not coming from my shoulders all my power coming from my ground reaction force only when I soften myself I relax myself and I can get my body weight down directly into the ground and I can get that ground reaction force immediately upward for my utilization in counting against any strong force. So my leverage my my my arm my level arm is much bigger longer than yours your arm in your in your in your bicep or triceple in of your of your of your the arm muscles of your arm uh strengths so how to get the ground reaction force up that is you must soft and relax and you use the different kind of muscle and you try to get the ground reaction force up with the class two level I can explain to you in easy explained in my article how is the sequence of Kit trend gets the ground reaction force upward okay through the legs upward to the your first your pelvis and then to your waist and then to your spinal cord and then to your shoulder blade and then into your your elbow and then into your palm and your fingers and that kind of kinetic chain reaction okay utilizing all this ground reaction force upward and with a moving forecome okay I relax I sense you because I relax my nerve sensation is much much better than the normal people when they are not relaxed. So with the sensation feeling with the sun the end the end three that's what Taiji classic requirements. With a simple touch without force you don't detect where I'm coming from with my my my ground reaction force and then with my softness with my leverage and with that kind of internal power that's what Taiji's martial application is all about.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Excellent Julian and I don't know if you spent much time in the courtroom but to what extent can Tai Chi Chuan andor the softness aspect and the quieting of the mind help a lawyer sense what is in the mind of a judge, sense what is in the mind of jurors because when I do a jury Julian one of the first things I'm doing is I'm asking questions of the potential jury members and I'm trying to weed out the most unfavorable jurors. So I have to get a sense of them beyond what they're saying alone. And when they're on that jury I need to get a sense of whether I'm barking up the wrong tree or not with uh some of the uh questions I'm asking of witnesses. So am I far-fetched here about how Tai Chi can help me with that?

SPEAKER_02 49:40

Uh yeah again this all about emotion no control okay so if you if you have a calm mind if you have a good experience from your touchy practices in dealing with a very stressful situation and then you can have a good feeling yourself in handling the all kinds of stressful situations and then you can can have all kinds of good ideas so I mentioned about default mode network so all the good imagination all the good idea all this innovative idea can come from the default mode network when your mind is open when your mind is acceptive to other seconds you will suddenly have a good and good idea and to deal with that kind of challenging situations and then you can have very smart concept very small idea coming up during your meditative mind unbelievable and then you have a very systematic thought when you are not in a strong stressful and emotional situation and you are in control of the situation in dealing with people. And that is the beauty of the calmless mind and your systematic way of dealing and all the good experience judge judgment you you you you had built up in your hippocampus and then with all the innovative way you know from your meditative mind when you are in the daydreaming part of your uh meditative uh uh uh conditions okay those should help you to deal with something with inner peace and you will get some kind of unbelievable result.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

So Julian when we have inner peace uh you're saying that does help us uh sense what is on the mind of other people are you saying that and also when we're doing uh tai chi push hands or sensing hands when we're quieting our mind and uh advancing with tai chi that that does that help us all the more with sensing what the other person is going to do before they even know what they're physically going to do yes thank you John uh so how can you think you have the ability okay to handle those conversations with people who to who's who is much stronger than you okay so like I indicated you got something you know how to use the ground reaction force and you know how to apply your your better leverage and do not use do not use your inherited the class three level so most of your our body all the movements of arm and leg and so forth we are using very non-efficient class three levels okay and we need to learn this from Kaichi to convert those inefficient class three levels into either class one level or class two levels.

SPEAKER_02 53:37

That's why we can use a very minimal effort to overcome a big force with a good class one and class two levels so if you don't understand the detail about that read my paper. Okay so now so now when you are when you are dealing with somebody you are you are you are you are you are you are first sensing and so you you have that strong touching sensation and you are able to to do things that your opponents cannot sense cannot detect cannot feel where your force is coming from because you do not use a force at all you use some kind of wave the sea wave kind of power into your opponent so he got beaten up he got to throw it out he cannot even understand what the hell is you are applying to him this is the interesting about tai chi martial application okay you do not let people know you but you do know the opponents that's the beauty of the Taiji Trump marshall applications.

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Well Julian I told you we're going to finish uh after about 60 minutes it seems like we have about two or three minutes uh please tell the audience about the benefit of investing in loss what does that mean and when we're investing in loss what are we really doing for being able to then discharge the opponent or do something else strong against the opponent invest in loss is the way that overcome all your bad habits about all your egos and all your wing try your your strong desire try to gain try to win okay so if you still think that you can use your brutal force you can use your strong means to get something actually you will be disappointed. So you in order to learn this kind of thing okay to gain from something uh from nothing to something okay what i was all I said to you you know leverage and all this integration and all the i i i also had the word called biotens biotensegrity okay that is uh that is uh the my body is so like a like a sponge okay and uh you probably don't believe it you probably don't understand it but the only way to guess so is you must let people to beat you up first and you need to learn from this loss from this loss then you will know how to really neutralize this this the the situation okay you got to invest okay in loss and and then you will become smarter okay so when people they try to uh uh uh learn the Tai Chi that I think the the most uh the difficult part is they always try to resist okay you know when some some some something coming to them they got to they they need to react that's natural responses you know to resist so you need to get rid of the resistance okay you need to able to learn how to receive the force how to receive the the the the strong uh power into you and uh just like you are catching the the this the the high speed baseball how to catch that okay that is the investing loss okay you need to first learn this okay and then you can form your biotinsecrity of your body and you need to learn how to receive the the incoming force and that is the beauty of investment law from that you will be able to build up your central equilibrium of your body excellent well Julian this 60 minutes is passed quickly I am just in awe of you as a person and about your generosity to teach what you know and when I see you uh showing your martial uh experience your your your your experience and ability with Tai Chi Chuan including when you've uh put your hands on me and when I put my hands on you totally amazing I can't resist asking you the following though before we close up uh when you've pushed hands with Ben Lowe have you ever been able to push him I tell you what I was so so disappointed myself okay and uh I don't know you know Ben is probably at least 30 pounds less than me and uh he's thinner he is he was thinner than me uh Ben passed away at age 9090 uh a year before his uh passing I went to his house in San Francisco and uh you know he had a liver transplant okay in 1990 okay for over 20 years normally people can only survive about seven or eight years but he survived over 20 years and uh you know he was already 90 years uh 89 years old and uh you know he had some hip joint problems you know from arthritis and and all that guess what he challenged me in push hands at age 89 can you imagine you solve at age 89 and you want to deal with somebody in push hands i was amazed with his strong mental and physical power even at that age 89 years old excellent well Julian I would imagine that a lot of the listeners are now inspired to want to learn Tai Chi if you can give them some ideas locally and and beyond of course we've got great teachers in the DC area but people are listening from outside the DC area as well uh you know I used to teach uh uh in both Maryland and Virginia for the last 33 34 years uh but I moved into Raleigh North Carolina this year so I pass on my teaching to my senior students uh one of them is is uh still teaching uh uh in uh the uh the the uh Lee Mean Chinese school in Rockville uh for those who live in Maryland and then I have another two teachers uh two students who are teaching at the Weihua uh Chinese school in Burke uh again we do have weekly gathering uh at the Tai Chi core in Kabinjiang Regional Park uh Maryland okay please come to join us at the Tai Chi core in Kabinjiang and also in this summertime beginning on this coming Sunday June 2nd 10 o'clock in the morning every Sunday morning from June 2nd through the end of August within the three month summertime and we have gathering every Sunday morning at 10 o'clock at the Tai Chi court of Kepinjong in Maryland and you can come hit come to uh see us and and see how we are doing in Tai Chi transform practice and also those those Tai Chi weapons the Tai Chi sword tai chi sable and Tai Chi spears and and then that we do push hands and you're welcome to join us and to discuss and uh we will learn from each other. Thank you so much Julian and uh before I give you the final word uh I'll go ahead and put um uh references to uh where this Tai Chi court is in this schedule and also those uh one or two students uh senior students of uh Julian's that he's mentioning uh Julian is there anything else you want to share before we uh close for the day well I appreciate for the opportunity uh talking to all of you particularly that uh you know uh for for you all the uh the defense lawyers you know in in front in front of a uh uh challenging judges all the time you know in in in in those interesting cases daily uh I know you guys are very very stressful in your in your kind of a life you know it's also dynamic changes uh unbelievable the the you know uh things could happen in in your daily experience and I I strongly recommend that okay uh try to learn Tai Chi and you can do this kind of practice all the time anywhere and you don't need any space you don't need any uniforms and you can do like my teacher at age 89 still push hands well Julian thank you immensely as I told you I have had trouble uh maintaining my containing my excitement uh with all these guests I've had on this show uh so far including Julian thank you immensely everybody this has been Beat the Prosecution with John Katz I'm a criminal defense and DWI defense lawyer we will add this information about Julian Shu. Thank you so much.

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